Democrats just got busted in New Jersey in a large scale ballot stuffing operation with mail in votes in a Democrat primary but we know they would NEVER do this in a general. Since this was a Democrat primary a judge quickly got involved and invalidated the election results but if it was a general in which a Democrat won the case would be thrown out of court as "meritless" and the election deemed the cleanest and safest election in the history of elections. Anyone who said otherwise would be deemed a Qanon conspiracy theorist and domestic extremist who threatens "our democracy".
Former Wisconsin Supreme Court Justice Michael Gableman concluded that there was likely fraud in that state's 2020 general presidential election due to the willful violation of numerous state election laws which led to an artificial increase in mail-in ballots in Democrat counties and precincts. Election laws were illegally modified by the governor, judges and county clerks in the months leading up to the 2020 general.
#4 Election fraud didn't hurt Trump enough to change the election result. Admittedly, maybe all those elections besides that for POTUS had enough fraud to change the outcome. (And maybe Mexico IS going to pay for the wall.)
Yes Trump was a lousy candidate. He won in 2016 by a very slim margin and did not expand his appeal. He did many good things on trade, judges, immigration (somewhat) and regulations. He also turned off some of his core support (white men) by not fulfilling many of his promises and by his covid lockdowns and the black platinum plan.
BUT... if the laptop were not important, the media and Dems would not have gone to such lengths to censor it.
To the covid lockdowns - the whole WORLD with the exception of South Dakota and Sweden locked down, Australia was a complete police state. Trumps not a doctor. If his vaunted Fauxchi told him millions and millions would die if he didn’t do X and it would be him to blame for all this, Trump became the rock asking the hard spot what to do.
Trump's approval of UK warning was key to getting rest of world on board, as Neil Ferguson said, his approval was used as a sales aid. Being "a doctor" not needed. At most all you needed was an internet connection. Trump by unilateral decree cruelly destroyed this country, isolated children for 2+ years by publicly urging children to "stay home," thus throwing tens of millions of Americans out of work to be home with kids. By what he did or didn't do, either way, he enabled teachers unions in major metros to have more control than any government, controlled whether schools opened or not, had their own "experts," their own "tests," parents never new from day to day what would happen. Trump should be jailed for crimes against humanity. Try reading Dr. Scott Atlas's book published Dec. 2021. Trump appointed him. Dr. Birx controlled everything, Fauci only did what she said.
Ann - that's the same argument the liberals are making. There is no evidence of massive election fraud such that the election would have turned out any different.
We don't care!!! Just take our accusation serious enough to fricking investigate. Where they have investigated....they have found election fraud.
...and yes, its been going on since the beginning of time. Well, since the beginning of time they have been trying to fix it. But, the Democrats say there is NOTHING TO FIX.!
The problem is not that Trump isn't in the White House to "save the World". The problem is that -- the right wing has been shoved off the stage............
Most of want Trump......because we know the Trump haters......will hate it. Period.
If you can't win the argument....beat the hell out of them or just drive them crazy.
I know Ann leads the “ dump Trump” wing, and I am tired of him but his claims of election fraud were never investigated! The claims were simply dismissed. When they investigate claims of election fraud- Paterson, NJ and Bridgeport, Connecticut - the election results are invalidated.
It is time to move on from the Donald but would be a lot easier if the claims had really been investigated.
And I would rather the Donald than Nikki the warrior who wants to ban pseudonyms. What would Mark Twain say?
Mark Twain would say "it ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble, but what you do know that just ain't so." It is silly to think all the elections going for the Democrats were the result of fraud. Does the Obamacare that Trump never did replace with something "really great" cover treatment for such Truthophobia?
"Trade wars are good. We can win them." What size dunce cap does Trump wear?
Obamacare? Blame McCain. For not getting rid of it. “ something really great” as a replacement? Providing exact detail only provides a target and the legislative process melts the solid promises away regardless of the promise.
What you describe is a person not at all suited for the job. It's never poor Trump's fault. Fine, in your example he was so weak, so unqualified to lead that he dared not reveal his alleged "plan" for fear the plan would be attacked. When you can't do the job you promised--for whatever reason--you resign. The whole world knew he was powerless yet he sat there for 4 years wasting our time. Jared was de facto president from day one anyway.
Reagan was an excellent candidate...perhaps the most excellent candidate of our time on earth.
In fact, Reagan was an excellent President...perhaps the most excellent President of our time on earth.
Both as a candidate, President, former President and deceased President, Reagan has been continuously attacked by the Dems and pin-headed liberals who, decades after his death, are still trying to steal his thunder and rewrite his legacy (for the worst) with their lies.
Note to the pin-heads...no matter how hard you click your heals together, the fact remains that Reagan courageously destroyed the Soviet Union without firing a shot and also was responsible for an unprecedented multi-decade economic expansion...it was not Obama nor even Hillary to thank for these historic achievements.
But Reagan ran in a much different environment than Trump. When Reagan was a candidate, Carter had botched the entire Iran hostage crisis starting even before the downfall of the Shah. Additionally, Reagan was running in an economy plagued by a decade of severe stagflation and America had not seen the Dow close above 1000 a single time in that decade.
Reagan faced historic challenges and despite being sabotaged and denigrated at every opportunity by the pin-heads and Quislings, he met those challenges very bravely and brilliantly to achieve what few thought was possible.
You want a real profile in courage? Just look to Reagan gentlemanly taking a walk on Gorbachov at Reykjavík while the liberals were certain he just caused WWIII…and announcing it on every channel and front page every 5 seconds. That day still stirs my heart.
In contrast, all Trump had to do was build a wall and pretty much be a level-headed administrator.
"But Reagan ran in a much different environment than Trump. "
He was early enough in the Leftist march through the Institutions to not be faced with the college crowd and cultural marxists reaching a sort of critical mass. In the middle of his Presidency, Challenger crashed and caused a national trauma. Would lefties be at all traumatized by that now or would they assemble en masse to cheer at the failure of American colonialism, cheering the death of jewish Judith Resnick and simultaneously berating NASA for killing Ronald McNair?
But Reagan was cruelly and continuously mocked for being an "amiable dunce".
Yet, instead of taking the bait; humiliating himself and wasting valuable time and resources in endless drama, he laughed at the idiots and just kept succeeding. His critics were reduced to dipshits preaching their nonsense to each other.
another point of comparison is that Dems in Reagan's first term were deficit hawks (at least when it came to cutting tax rates) and famously ran with the narrative of '$200 billion in hot cheques.' So it was fun to watch the Treasury bloat from $517 to $991 billion during Reagan's terms and after the top rate was reduced to 28%.
“[T]he censorship of the Post was outrageous, but please stop pretending that constituted ‘election interference’ sufficient to swing an election.”
It’s not just the censorship of the Post laptop story. It’s a whole slew of other shenanigans that are being ignored here. But for the moment, let us just focus on the laptop.
The Washington Times states: “Trump pollster John McLaughlin found that 4.6% of Biden voters would have changed their minds if they had known about [the truth of the Hunter laptop], easily enough to flip results in key states. Another survey by The Polling Company showed that even more Biden voters in seven swing states — 17% — would have switched their votes if they had been aware of the laptop and other stories.”
Let’s say those figure are way too high. Let’s say that only 1.5% of Biden voters would have shifted their votes to Trump had they known the truth about the Hunter laptop. And let’s also assume – against ample evidence to the contrary – that everything else was above board. Trump lost the following states with the electoral votes and margins of loss indicated inside parentheses: GA (16 EV, 0.24%), AZ (11 EV, 0.31%), WI (10 EV, 0.63%), and PA (20 EV, 1.16%).
A 1.5-point shift gives Trump all of these states, and the Electoral College victory. Even if one assumes that a hypothetical non-censorship of the Post story would have resulted in only a 0.75% shift to Trump, then Trump wins all of these states except for PA. This results in Trump and Biden tied at 269 electoral votes each, and the matter would have been turned over to the House, where Trump would have won.
My mistake. In the event of an EV tie, I think the matter would have gone to the individual state legislatures, where Trump would have had a clear advantage.
There was no problem with the candidate. The candidate got us into no, new wars so the media lied when it said the candidate was going to get us into WWIII. That's the situation currently with the Weekend-at-Biden's regime. The candidate tried to bring our troops home from the endless war in Afghanistan. The candidate got rid of some high-value terrorist targets and brought an end to ISIS taking over Iraq.
The opposition candidate LIED about the laptop and the media carried the water for it. The candidate pegged the laptop right. He also got the payments from China right. Again, the media carried the water for the candidate's lying opponent.
The candidate had a virus, whether on accident or by design, foisted on the country which permitted all kinds of changes being made to election laws in states before the General Election. This introduced mass mail-in voting and greatly diminished in-person voting.
The candidate had gasoline under $2/gallon. He had nearly filled the Strategic Petroleum Reserve by purchasing oil while it was very low in cost before the opposing candidate, the barely-alive cadaver, got a hold of it, and depleted it 70% to win a mid-term election.
The candidate had a roaring economy. Unemployment for all demographics was the lowest in decades. He didn't start WWIII like the liars in the media screeched he would. He went to North Korea, stepped over the DMZ and told "Little Rocket Man" our button is bigger and works.
The candidate had the border genuinely secured, even in those places where the cars and trucks weren't passing the official border booths. He also had the lowest levels of illegal immigration in decades. He had sent ICE into non-border states to find and deport illegals. And he did this even though his attempt to get the wall finished in his first term was thwarted by leftist judges and members of his own Party in Congress and the Senate who are loyal Uniparty RINOs.
Once again in 2024 the problem isn't the right's candidate it's the opposition's organization, infrastructure, corruption, and once again, the media carrying the casket for their cadaver candidate.
Stick a fork in DeSantis. He's done. He should have immediately endorsed Trump.
Nikki Haley, the Establishment's new Jeb! wants to go to war with Russia, raise the Social Security age to at least 70 and force anyone who writes anonymously online to reveal their identities. The founders who wrote the Federalist Papers would just love hearing that now!
Interview Charlie Kirk and Victor Davis Hanson, Ann, (or even Megyn Kelly) and engage in a substantive discussion about the plusses and minuses of "the candidate."
Abram, your "no new wars" claim is uninformed. Trump was totally powerless over US military decisions. The Pentagon ignored him for his entire 4 years. In April 2017 he tried to make this look like his idea by publicly announcing that he was turning over his Commander in Chief duties "to his great generals." Who needs stolen elections when Trump nullifies his own election? In August 2017 congress voted to remove all Russia matters from Trump and assign them to the Senate. At the time, Medvedev commented that Trump was humiliated. Trump should've resigned. The whole world knew he was powerless. Instead he chose to spend 4 years spewing neocon threats against innocent countries. Ten wks after his inauguration he bombed Syria for no reason. He was patted on the head by neocons at WaPo. He even backed US illegal seizure of one third of Syria, placed US military there. If a starving Syrian child tries to grow crops on the land, he'll be shot. Further overturning his own election, in July 2017 Trump went on tv, announced he'd changed his mind on endless Mideast wars, now thinks they're necessary, thanked his cabinet for changing his mind.
You make good points. Question is, what person elected president on an anti-deep state platform could succeed against the opposition of virtually every other person and agency in government (Dems and RINOs both), media, and globalist corporations, not to mention NATO, the EU, WHO, WEF, British royalty, etc., etc.? Why did Trump lose control of Russian matters? Because of the Trump-Russia BS engineered by Hillary, the FBI, and CIA. Imagine being impeached by the establishment because a nonentity like Lt. Colonel Vindman thinks he determines foreign policy--and having all the above villains back the nonentity. And then imagine it being proven that, well yes, your 2020 opponent was taking money from Ukrainian oligarchs (among many others). Maybe a better question might be why would anyone want to take on that impossible task again?
Hi Susan! Thanks for your reply. What new war did Trump start again? Gen. Milley went behind Trump by calling China. He should have been court-martialed and either put in Leavenworth or before a firing squad for his efforts. Speaker Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell were against Trump from the start, as were a lot of other RINOs. They all expected Hilary to win, you see.
Then there's the judges. Perhaps Trump could have stood them all up and threatened to charge them with treason for their roadblocks to the wall. Maybe Trump could have just acted like a king and ordered Congress to fund the wall. He never asked for permission to build it he only asked for the money.
I didn't like how influential his daughter and son-in-law seemed to be. I didn't like how Steve Bannon was ousted. I didn't like some of Trump's choices for different positions, but I gave him a pass. After all, he was a businessman, not a politician. He never knew how deep and mucky the DC Swamp was. He had ideas. He had a vision. But he had to trust people in the Swamp to help navigate. He was consistent in distrusting China. He wanted NATO to pony up its fair share. He wanted a better relationship with Russia and got the Russia collusion hoax for his troubles. He knew Ukraine was corrupt and when he investigated Biden's involvement he was impeached. Interviews with him back in the 1980s demonstrate that he knew China's game. He had poor advisors and he trusted them. He didn't realize how woke the generals were that Obama had put in charge. He didn't fire Fauci but did fire Comey. So yes, there are things about how Trump did things or people he trusted I wasn't on board with.
I held my nose and voted for Romney. Ann voted for Romney, too. What was the alternative? Obama. Look how Romney turned out! Rotten! Ronna isn't any better. I've never heard Ann complain about what a cesspool Romney turned out to be. I held my nose and voted for McCain. Ann voted for him, too! I did mainly because of Sarah Palin being on the ticket. She went through an acrimonious divorce after the election and appeared on a dance show dressed in a silly costume, but I still think she would be a great Vice President. I would prefer Trump choosing her over Kari "cheerleader" Lake, the teleprompter reader with no experience in government who has too much political ambition for my taste. Lake would be a perfect press secretary. I would prefer Palin or Noem as his VP. In that, I disagree with Ann. I think Ann would be a good VP, too, or SCOTUS justice, the job I think she'd prefer. Ann would be great as AG, too. Anyway, I detested McCain because he's a back-stabbing RINO but what was the alternative? Obama. Obama is evil. I voted for the lesser of two evils in both cases.
ISIS was busy taking over Iraq after the power vacuum left behind. The military-industrial complex was very interested in continuing to get feisty with Syria (and now are again!) Haley would be a great choice for the warmongers. She and John Bolton are cut from the same mold.
Again, I give Trump a pass. I don't for a second think Jeb! or the son of Mailman, or anyone else on that stage in 2016, would have been better.
Afghanistan had been going on for a long time before Trump's arrival. He was also against the Iraq war. He knew no WMDs were in Iraq. The Bushes hated him along with the rest of the RINOs. Bush 43 gave us Osama Bin Laden, 9-11, Homeland Security, and purple-haired blimps who enjoy feeling reproductive organs before your flight.
I politely disagree with your analysis. Are there things I think Trump might have been able to do differently? Perhaps. He might have bypassed Congress to build the wall but where he would have gotten the funding, I'm uncertain. He might've intimidated the judges who blocked his efforts. I honestly think he didn't realize the power he could wield as President. I don't think he'll make the same mistakes next time around.
But one thing I'm certain of: I don't plan to sit at home sulking on Election Day if Trump is the nominee. I hope that's not your plan. That's not in the cards for me. I detest Nikki Haley, but I'd still vote for her in a heartbeat over Gavin Newsom or another term of Joe Lyin' Biden. Trump isn't a quitter. He's still standing even after all these ridiculous, frivolous legal actions against him, all of which are meant to be election interference and designed to help whoever the Democrats plan on putting up in 2024. I have a feeling it will be Newsom. He's got good hair, can speak lies in complete sentences, will have all his disastrous administration of California whitewashed and he looks better than any of the Republicans except, perhaps, Ron DeSantis, but he stands about half a foot taller. But he's not going anywhere except perhaps to a lobbying job when the dust settles. He might've been president or VP had he endorsed Trump early and supported him. The "unwashed" masses of the "deplorables" are still riding the Trump Train, which since all these ridiculous court proceedings has seen pick up more passengers because people can see the fraud.
I don't know what you're planning to do. Maybe you'll vote for Gavin or simply stay home. That's your choice and I respect whatever decision you make. As for me, I believe our nation is at stake and I know it's all hands-on deck. I don't think Trump's perfect by any means but as I'd mentioned with Romney vs. Obama and McCain vs Obama, look at the alternative.
And I stand by what I said: Ann needs to interview Charlie Kirk or vice versa (I've asked him about it) as well as Victor Hanson.
Wishing you and yours a happy, safe, and blessed Thanksgiving.
Abram, Trump promised unconditionally to build a wall on day one. I listened closely. If he'd even once said he'd have to ask congress for permission to build the wall, I'd never have listened to another word he said nor voted for him. I knew that 100% of congress was rabidly open borders and would never approve one inch of a wall (and they didn't). If a candidate stood on stage and said, "I promise to ask congress for permission and tax dollars to build a wall," he'd have been booed off the stage. Charlie Kirk? You mean "staple a green card to it" Charlie Kirk? Jared pal Charlie Kirk? Right.
If I might add a couple points..... Rush mentioned, casually as a last sentence before going to an EIB profit center break, that Trump's opponents really lost their minds when Trump questioned the necessity of NATO. Rush didn't elaborate beyond that, but the implication was that without NATO, the Deep State (Nuland et al) would have no way to put their elbows on the scale, moving their pieces around the planet.
Later, Vindman listened quietly to Trump's phone call with Zelensky up to the point that Trump mentioned Crowdstrike. THAT is what set the Dems' hair on fire.
They had 3 years in which they could have impeached Trump, but ONE WORD created an existential panic because they suddenly realized that excess attention to Crowdstrike might cause someone to point out that Crowdstrike was the outfit that had suggested the Russians had hacked the DNC emails (the Dems refusing to give the servers to the FBI but deliberately giving them to Crowdstrike).
Deeper investigation might reveal that the Russians had nothing to do with it, that it was in fact an internal theft (by Seth Rich, onto a thumbdrive whose transfer time was far too fast for the hack to have been external), and so the entire RUSSIA RUSSIA narrative would be exposed as a lie, that Trump in fact did not have help from anyone and was indeed a legitimate President.
"judges who refused to hear the concerns of people who made complaints, saying that they didn't have standing."
I'm no expert on Constitutional law, being just a western Canadian concrete mixer truck driver and all, but was not the entire rationale for the Supreme Court to settle disputes between States?
So then explain, Justice Roberts, why you refused to hear Texas's case against Pennsylvania. Were the stories true of Roberts being overheard yelling at a meeting of the Justices that he was not going to be the one who presided over a case that might expose such horrific fraud (just like he was not going to be the one who overturned BananaCare) and lead to riots, even though everyone knew at the end of 2020 that Leftists never go berserk after not getting their way.....?
If I understand the legal theory correctly, Trump couldn't get courts to look at his worries about election fraud before the election because there had been no fraud (yet) and thus no damage, so the court had nothing to hear. Then, after the election and the fraud, the courts couldn't do anything because there wasn't enough time to investigate before inauguration.
Does the truck driver who testified to transporting filled out ballots across State lines not constitute PC, or Ruby surreptitiously handing off a thumbdrive to her son, or election officials telling everyone to go home because of a broken water line (much like the monkey who pulled the fire alarm using that tactic to delay things) and then pulling suitcases full of ballots from under the table and then running the ballots through the machines 4 times....... not a single judge in the US found any of that suspicious.....?
I don't understand, either, how if the Dems are so sure of the superiority of their ideas and candidates there should be ANY fraud; indeed, they should have been among the loudest voices for accusations of fraud in order to dispel the accusations, and they should be leading the way for voter ID, one day elections, paper ballots, hand counts.
They shouldn't need State AGs to change election law to allow drop boxes (the evidence of geotracking as it related to individuals going back and forth between collecting ballots and then dropping them off is dismissed as being unreliable; tell that to people who are convicted by geotracking of their crimes), mass mail in ballots, no signature verification (a straight squiggle does not a signature make). Yet State AGs did just that, and no one in authority found it suspicious that Dem poll workers papered over the windows of counting rooms, either.
all of those judges, by the way, along with Strocz, Page, Brennan, Clapper, Priestap, Comey, McCabe, Rosenstein, Ohr et al "worked for" the Trump Administration.
Coincidentally, I write this comment through the time of 1230 central time, the exact time 60 years ago that JFK was killed by the Deep State. That was their first big domestic operation, 2020 was another, and 2024 is going to be their last, it being too late to come back if they succeed.
Sometimes you have to go with the cards you are dealt. DeSantis is out. The rest of the Rep candidates are disasters. Trump is the candidate the Dems want to face. To say there is no election fraud is ignorant. Clearly fraud won the day in most elections of our time. The ones that were aberrations or politicians who didn’t play cards with the deep state were destroyed (Kennedy. Nixon,Reagan(shot in 81), Trump). Our elections are a joke. No one voted for brain dead Biden except the few people in the crop circles who came to hear him on his few campaign stops. Trump is a disaster but he’s a better disaster than Biden, M Obama, or Newsome.
Absolutely not. I will not be told to pick candidate X because the others are worse. I voted for Davos Don in 2016 because he was my best chance of breaking the status quo, but instead he flipped for the Establishment, became a worse neocon than McCain & best pals w. Lindsey Graham. My only chance of stopping the status quo in 2024 is RFK Jr.
There's no trick to breaking the status quo. In my lifetime, most presidents have done it, just in the wrong direction. Despite Trump's failures, there's no way McCain or Graham wouldn't have been worse. Jury's out on RFK Jr., but his book on Fauci is genius, a must read. It's very clear from the book that Fauci should have been fired, and imprisoned, long before Trump was elected. Using orphans and African children as guinea pigs for toxic drugs, the drugs delivered through tubes into their stomachs if they refused to take them? Shows just how corrupt the establishment is.
I'm a young'un (my first presidential election as an eligible voter was 2008), but I consider myself fairly well-educated. I can't think of a prior example of dozens of intelligence officials actively misleading the media at the behest of one party, and censoring a major media story.
The closest example I can think of would be Kennedy inventing the "missile gap" out of whole cloth, and Nixon and the military not being willing to divulge classified information to correct the lie. But that still seems different from *actively suppressing* a damaging political story.
I don't think that's just a matter of media bias. The "binders full of women" and "dog on the roof" smears against Romney were media bias. The Hunter thing...was something else.
"I can't think of a prior example of dozens of intelligence officials actively misleading the media at the behest of one party, and censoring a major media story."
Sundance, over on Conservative Treehouse, posits the theory that the CIA's credibility was dealt a severe blow by the WMD fiasco, thus allowing the agents who promulgated the lie to be led out the door to be replaced by the sorts of agents that Obama and Holder desired, as they were now in control of the agency and the agenda (using the Patriot Act to surveil domestic political enemies, ie, anyone who opposed Obama). You know, the sort of agents who would sign a letter claiming that the laptop story bore all the features of Kremlin disinformation.....
Thank you for follow up information re: our U.S. election system. Seems to me, everyone— worldwide —has wanted, wanted, and wants a piece of it for their own gain. President Trump was just one of the vehicles—involved during his run— in the “character assassination” game. A terrible, terrible game. A terrible, terrible sign of the times. Republicans must keep their eye on the ball.
Yes Biden was clearly the superior candidate in 2020. Look at his campaign, his debate performance, everything about it was vastly superior to Trumps. And that doesn’t even take into account his personal character and the splendid work he did as VP. And the personal charm, pleaseeeesssseee. I wonder why he only got a bit more than 81,000,000 ‘official’ votes. It’s puzzling to me that Biden didn’t get over 100,000,000 votes. That should be concerning to very American or non American voter. How could Trump lose to such a remarkable man by only 7,000,000 votes? Something just doesn’t ring true. When instinct tells your pronoun something isn’t right …
Nobody has proven Biden didn’t get 100,000,000 or more votes. That’s because no one has examined the evidence that could well prove Biden might have gotten 100,000,000 votes.Nobody examined the claim he got 81,000,000 votes so how can anyone prove he didn’t get 100,000,000?
Biden didn’t get 100,000,000? Yea I smell a rat just on the numbers alone. Maybe he settled for 81,000,000 because he just couldn’t prove the 100,000,000 and 7,000,000 was beyond the margin of fraud. Ha, think about that for a while.
Democrats just got busted in New Jersey in a large scale ballot stuffing operation with mail in votes in a Democrat primary but we know they would NEVER do this in a general. Since this was a Democrat primary a judge quickly got involved and invalidated the election results but if it was a general in which a Democrat won the case would be thrown out of court as "meritless" and the election deemed the cleanest and safest election in the history of elections. Anyone who said otherwise would be deemed a Qanon conspiracy theorist and domestic extremist who threatens "our democracy".
Former Wisconsin Supreme Court Justice Michael Gableman concluded that there was likely fraud in that state's 2020 general presidential election due to the willful violation of numerous state election laws which led to an artificial increase in mail-in ballots in Democrat counties and precincts. Election laws were illegally modified by the governor, judges and county clerks in the months leading up to the 2020 general.
Dave49, therefore what?
Thanks. Well stated
All 3 can be true.
1. Hunters Biden's laptop wasn't the problem.
2. Trump's was a bad candidate.
3. Election fraud hurt Trump.
#4 Election fraud didn't hurt Trump enough to change the election result. Admittedly, maybe all those elections besides that for POTUS had enough fraud to change the outcome. (And maybe Mexico IS going to pay for the wall.)
"Election fraud didn't hurt Trump enough to change the election result." You know this, how?
22,000 votes in three states (Georgia, Arizona, Wisconsin) would have given the election to Trump.
Yes Trump was a lousy candidate. He won in 2016 by a very slim margin and did not expand his appeal. He did many good things on trade, judges, immigration (somewhat) and regulations. He also turned off some of his core support (white men) by not fulfilling many of his promises and by his covid lockdowns and the black platinum plan.
BUT... if the laptop were not important, the media and Dems would not have gone to such lengths to censor it.
To the covid lockdowns - the whole WORLD with the exception of South Dakota and Sweden locked down, Australia was a complete police state. Trumps not a doctor. If his vaunted Fauxchi told him millions and millions would die if he didn’t do X and it would be him to blame for all this, Trump became the rock asking the hard spot what to do.
Trump's approval of UK warning was key to getting rest of world on board, as Neil Ferguson said, his approval was used as a sales aid. Being "a doctor" not needed. At most all you needed was an internet connection. Trump by unilateral decree cruelly destroyed this country, isolated children for 2+ years by publicly urging children to "stay home," thus throwing tens of millions of Americans out of work to be home with kids. By what he did or didn't do, either way, he enabled teachers unions in major metros to have more control than any government, controlled whether schools opened or not, had their own "experts," their own "tests," parents never new from day to day what would happen. Trump should be jailed for crimes against humanity. Try reading Dr. Scott Atlas's book published Dec. 2021. Trump appointed him. Dr. Birx controlled everything, Fauci only did what she said.
It's not that Trump was good, but that the other recent GOP POTUS candidates (W, McCain, Romney) were so bad.
Ann - that's the same argument the liberals are making. There is no evidence of massive election fraud such that the election would have turned out any different.
We don't care!!! Just take our accusation serious enough to fricking investigate. Where they have investigated....they have found election fraud.
...and yes, its been going on since the beginning of time. Well, since the beginning of time they have been trying to fix it. But, the Democrats say there is NOTHING TO FIX.!
The problem is not that Trump isn't in the White House to "save the World". The problem is that -- the right wing has been shoved off the stage............
Most of want Trump......because we know the Trump haters......will hate it. Period.
If you can't win the argument....beat the hell out of them or just drive them crazy.
I know Ann leads the “ dump Trump” wing, and I am tired of him but his claims of election fraud were never investigated! The claims were simply dismissed. When they investigate claims of election fraud- Paterson, NJ and Bridgeport, Connecticut - the election results are invalidated.
It is time to move on from the Donald but would be a lot easier if the claims had really been investigated.
And I would rather the Donald than Nikki the warrior who wants to ban pseudonyms. What would Mark Twain say?
Mark Twain would say "it ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble, but what you do know that just ain't so." It is silly to think all the elections going for the Democrats were the result of fraud. Does the Obamacare that Trump never did replace with something "really great" cover treatment for such Truthophobia?
"Trade wars are good. We can win them." What size dunce cap does Trump wear?
Obamacare? Blame McCain. For not getting rid of it. “ something really great” as a replacement? Providing exact detail only provides a target and the legislative process melts the solid promises away regardless of the promise.
What you describe is a person not at all suited for the job. It's never poor Trump's fault. Fine, in your example he was so weak, so unqualified to lead that he dared not reveal his alleged "plan" for fear the plan would be attacked. When you can't do the job you promised--for whatever reason--you resign. The whole world knew he was powerless yet he sat there for 4 years wasting our time. Jared was de facto president from day one anyway.
I'm sorry, but what would Mark Twain say?
Something clever...and to the point. ;-)
Can you be more specific?
Reagan was an excellent candidate...perhaps the most excellent candidate of our time on earth.
In fact, Reagan was an excellent President...perhaps the most excellent President of our time on earth.
Both as a candidate, President, former President and deceased President, Reagan has been continuously attacked by the Dems and pin-headed liberals who, decades after his death, are still trying to steal his thunder and rewrite his legacy (for the worst) with their lies.
Note to the pin-heads...no matter how hard you click your heals together, the fact remains that Reagan courageously destroyed the Soviet Union without firing a shot and also was responsible for an unprecedented multi-decade economic expansion...it was not Obama nor even Hillary to thank for these historic achievements.
But Reagan ran in a much different environment than Trump. When Reagan was a candidate, Carter had botched the entire Iran hostage crisis starting even before the downfall of the Shah. Additionally, Reagan was running in an economy plagued by a decade of severe stagflation and America had not seen the Dow close above 1000 a single time in that decade.
Reagan faced historic challenges and despite being sabotaged and denigrated at every opportunity by the pin-heads and Quislings, he met those challenges very bravely and brilliantly to achieve what few thought was possible.
You want a real profile in courage? Just look to Reagan gentlemanly taking a walk on Gorbachov at Reykjavík while the liberals were certain he just caused WWIII…and announcing it on every channel and front page every 5 seconds. That day still stirs my heart.
In contrast, all Trump had to do was build a wall and pretty much be a level-headed administrator.
"But Reagan ran in a much different environment than Trump. "
He was early enough in the Leftist march through the Institutions to not be faced with the college crowd and cultural marxists reaching a sort of critical mass. In the middle of his Presidency, Challenger crashed and caused a national trauma. Would lefties be at all traumatized by that now or would they assemble en masse to cheer at the failure of American colonialism, cheering the death of jewish Judith Resnick and simultaneously berating NASA for killing Ronald McNair?
Good point about the nexus of nitwits.
But Reagan was cruelly and continuously mocked for being an "amiable dunce".
Yet, instead of taking the bait; humiliating himself and wasting valuable time and resources in endless drama, he laughed at the idiots and just kept succeeding. His critics were reduced to dipshits preaching their nonsense to each other.
President Reagan was always able to rise above.
another point of comparison is that Dems in Reagan's first term were deficit hawks (at least when it came to cutting tax rates) and famously ran with the narrative of '$200 billion in hot cheques.' So it was fun to watch the Treasury bloat from $517 to $991 billion during Reagan's terms and after the top rate was reduced to 28%.
Now Dems can't spend $200 billion fast enough.
“[T]he censorship of the Post was outrageous, but please stop pretending that constituted ‘election interference’ sufficient to swing an election.”
It’s not just the censorship of the Post laptop story. It’s a whole slew of other shenanigans that are being ignored here. But for the moment, let us just focus on the laptop.
The Washington Times states: “Trump pollster John McLaughlin found that 4.6% of Biden voters would have changed their minds if they had known about [the truth of the Hunter laptop], easily enough to flip results in key states. Another survey by The Polling Company showed that even more Biden voters in seven swing states — 17% — would have switched their votes if they had been aware of the laptop and other stories.”
Also see:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/medias-hiding-of-hunter-biden-scandal-robbed-trump-of-clear-win-poll
Let’s say those figure are way too high. Let’s say that only 1.5% of Biden voters would have shifted their votes to Trump had they known the truth about the Hunter laptop. And let’s also assume – against ample evidence to the contrary – that everything else was above board. Trump lost the following states with the electoral votes and margins of loss indicated inside parentheses: GA (16 EV, 0.24%), AZ (11 EV, 0.31%), WI (10 EV, 0.63%), and PA (20 EV, 1.16%).
A 1.5-point shift gives Trump all of these states, and the Electoral College victory. Even if one assumes that a hypothetical non-censorship of the Post story would have resulted in only a 0.75% shift to Trump, then Trump wins all of these states except for PA. This results in Trump and Biden tied at 269 electoral votes each, and the matter would have been turned over to the House, where Trump would have won.
My mistake. In the event of an EV tie, I think the matter would have gone to the individual state legislatures, where Trump would have had a clear advantage.
There was no problem with the candidate. The candidate got us into no, new wars so the media lied when it said the candidate was going to get us into WWIII. That's the situation currently with the Weekend-at-Biden's regime. The candidate tried to bring our troops home from the endless war in Afghanistan. The candidate got rid of some high-value terrorist targets and brought an end to ISIS taking over Iraq.
The opposition candidate LIED about the laptop and the media carried the water for it. The candidate pegged the laptop right. He also got the payments from China right. Again, the media carried the water for the candidate's lying opponent.
The candidate had a virus, whether on accident or by design, foisted on the country which permitted all kinds of changes being made to election laws in states before the General Election. This introduced mass mail-in voting and greatly diminished in-person voting.
The candidate had gasoline under $2/gallon. He had nearly filled the Strategic Petroleum Reserve by purchasing oil while it was very low in cost before the opposing candidate, the barely-alive cadaver, got a hold of it, and depleted it 70% to win a mid-term election.
The candidate had a roaring economy. Unemployment for all demographics was the lowest in decades. He didn't start WWIII like the liars in the media screeched he would. He went to North Korea, stepped over the DMZ and told "Little Rocket Man" our button is bigger and works.
The candidate had the border genuinely secured, even in those places where the cars and trucks weren't passing the official border booths. He also had the lowest levels of illegal immigration in decades. He had sent ICE into non-border states to find and deport illegals. And he did this even though his attempt to get the wall finished in his first term was thwarted by leftist judges and members of his own Party in Congress and the Senate who are loyal Uniparty RINOs.
Once again in 2024 the problem isn't the right's candidate it's the opposition's organization, infrastructure, corruption, and once again, the media carrying the casket for their cadaver candidate.
Stick a fork in DeSantis. He's done. He should have immediately endorsed Trump.
Nikki Haley, the Establishment's new Jeb! wants to go to war with Russia, raise the Social Security age to at least 70 and force anyone who writes anonymously online to reveal their identities. The founders who wrote the Federalist Papers would just love hearing that now!
Interview Charlie Kirk and Victor Davis Hanson, Ann, (or even Megyn Kelly) and engage in a substantive discussion about the plusses and minuses of "the candidate."
Abram, your "no new wars" claim is uninformed. Trump was totally powerless over US military decisions. The Pentagon ignored him for his entire 4 years. In April 2017 he tried to make this look like his idea by publicly announcing that he was turning over his Commander in Chief duties "to his great generals." Who needs stolen elections when Trump nullifies his own election? In August 2017 congress voted to remove all Russia matters from Trump and assign them to the Senate. At the time, Medvedev commented that Trump was humiliated. Trump should've resigned. The whole world knew he was powerless. Instead he chose to spend 4 years spewing neocon threats against innocent countries. Ten wks after his inauguration he bombed Syria for no reason. He was patted on the head by neocons at WaPo. He even backed US illegal seizure of one third of Syria, placed US military there. If a starving Syrian child tries to grow crops on the land, he'll be shot. Further overturning his own election, in July 2017 Trump went on tv, announced he'd changed his mind on endless Mideast wars, now thinks they're necessary, thanked his cabinet for changing his mind.
You make good points. Question is, what person elected president on an anti-deep state platform could succeed against the opposition of virtually every other person and agency in government (Dems and RINOs both), media, and globalist corporations, not to mention NATO, the EU, WHO, WEF, British royalty, etc., etc.? Why did Trump lose control of Russian matters? Because of the Trump-Russia BS engineered by Hillary, the FBI, and CIA. Imagine being impeached by the establishment because a nonentity like Lt. Colonel Vindman thinks he determines foreign policy--and having all the above villains back the nonentity. And then imagine it being proven that, well yes, your 2020 opponent was taking money from Ukrainian oligarchs (among many others). Maybe a better question might be why would anyone want to take on that impossible task again?
Hi Susan! Thanks for your reply. What new war did Trump start again? Gen. Milley went behind Trump by calling China. He should have been court-martialed and either put in Leavenworth or before a firing squad for his efforts. Speaker Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell were against Trump from the start, as were a lot of other RINOs. They all expected Hilary to win, you see.
Then there's the judges. Perhaps Trump could have stood them all up and threatened to charge them with treason for their roadblocks to the wall. Maybe Trump could have just acted like a king and ordered Congress to fund the wall. He never asked for permission to build it he only asked for the money.
I didn't like how influential his daughter and son-in-law seemed to be. I didn't like how Steve Bannon was ousted. I didn't like some of Trump's choices for different positions, but I gave him a pass. After all, he was a businessman, not a politician. He never knew how deep and mucky the DC Swamp was. He had ideas. He had a vision. But he had to trust people in the Swamp to help navigate. He was consistent in distrusting China. He wanted NATO to pony up its fair share. He wanted a better relationship with Russia and got the Russia collusion hoax for his troubles. He knew Ukraine was corrupt and when he investigated Biden's involvement he was impeached. Interviews with him back in the 1980s demonstrate that he knew China's game. He had poor advisors and he trusted them. He didn't realize how woke the generals were that Obama had put in charge. He didn't fire Fauci but did fire Comey. So yes, there are things about how Trump did things or people he trusted I wasn't on board with.
I held my nose and voted for Romney. Ann voted for Romney, too. What was the alternative? Obama. Look how Romney turned out! Rotten! Ronna isn't any better. I've never heard Ann complain about what a cesspool Romney turned out to be. I held my nose and voted for McCain. Ann voted for him, too! I did mainly because of Sarah Palin being on the ticket. She went through an acrimonious divorce after the election and appeared on a dance show dressed in a silly costume, but I still think she would be a great Vice President. I would prefer Trump choosing her over Kari "cheerleader" Lake, the teleprompter reader with no experience in government who has too much political ambition for my taste. Lake would be a perfect press secretary. I would prefer Palin or Noem as his VP. In that, I disagree with Ann. I think Ann would be a good VP, too, or SCOTUS justice, the job I think she'd prefer. Ann would be great as AG, too. Anyway, I detested McCain because he's a back-stabbing RINO but what was the alternative? Obama. Obama is evil. I voted for the lesser of two evils in both cases.
ISIS was busy taking over Iraq after the power vacuum left behind. The military-industrial complex was very interested in continuing to get feisty with Syria (and now are again!) Haley would be a great choice for the warmongers. She and John Bolton are cut from the same mold.
Again, I give Trump a pass. I don't for a second think Jeb! or the son of Mailman, or anyone else on that stage in 2016, would have been better.
Afghanistan had been going on for a long time before Trump's arrival. He was also against the Iraq war. He knew no WMDs were in Iraq. The Bushes hated him along with the rest of the RINOs. Bush 43 gave us Osama Bin Laden, 9-11, Homeland Security, and purple-haired blimps who enjoy feeling reproductive organs before your flight.
I politely disagree with your analysis. Are there things I think Trump might have been able to do differently? Perhaps. He might have bypassed Congress to build the wall but where he would have gotten the funding, I'm uncertain. He might've intimidated the judges who blocked his efforts. I honestly think he didn't realize the power he could wield as President. I don't think he'll make the same mistakes next time around.
But one thing I'm certain of: I don't plan to sit at home sulking on Election Day if Trump is the nominee. I hope that's not your plan. That's not in the cards for me. I detest Nikki Haley, but I'd still vote for her in a heartbeat over Gavin Newsom or another term of Joe Lyin' Biden. Trump isn't a quitter. He's still standing even after all these ridiculous, frivolous legal actions against him, all of which are meant to be election interference and designed to help whoever the Democrats plan on putting up in 2024. I have a feeling it will be Newsom. He's got good hair, can speak lies in complete sentences, will have all his disastrous administration of California whitewashed and he looks better than any of the Republicans except, perhaps, Ron DeSantis, but he stands about half a foot taller. But he's not going anywhere except perhaps to a lobbying job when the dust settles. He might've been president or VP had he endorsed Trump early and supported him. The "unwashed" masses of the "deplorables" are still riding the Trump Train, which since all these ridiculous court proceedings has seen pick up more passengers because people can see the fraud.
I don't know what you're planning to do. Maybe you'll vote for Gavin or simply stay home. That's your choice and I respect whatever decision you make. As for me, I believe our nation is at stake and I know it's all hands-on deck. I don't think Trump's perfect by any means but as I'd mentioned with Romney vs. Obama and McCain vs Obama, look at the alternative.
And I stand by what I said: Ann needs to interview Charlie Kirk or vice versa (I've asked him about it) as well as Victor Hanson.
Wishing you and yours a happy, safe, and blessed Thanksgiving.
Abram, Trump promised unconditionally to build a wall on day one. I listened closely. If he'd even once said he'd have to ask congress for permission to build the wall, I'd never have listened to another word he said nor voted for him. I knew that 100% of congress was rabidly open borders and would never approve one inch of a wall (and they didn't). If a candidate stood on stage and said, "I promise to ask congress for permission and tax dollars to build a wall," he'd have been booed off the stage. Charlie Kirk? You mean "staple a green card to it" Charlie Kirk? Jared pal Charlie Kirk? Right.
excellent summary, sir.
If I might add a couple points..... Rush mentioned, casually as a last sentence before going to an EIB profit center break, that Trump's opponents really lost their minds when Trump questioned the necessity of NATO. Rush didn't elaborate beyond that, but the implication was that without NATO, the Deep State (Nuland et al) would have no way to put their elbows on the scale, moving their pieces around the planet.
Later, Vindman listened quietly to Trump's phone call with Zelensky up to the point that Trump mentioned Crowdstrike. THAT is what set the Dems' hair on fire.
They had 3 years in which they could have impeached Trump, but ONE WORD created an existential panic because they suddenly realized that excess attention to Crowdstrike might cause someone to point out that Crowdstrike was the outfit that had suggested the Russians had hacked the DNC emails (the Dems refusing to give the servers to the FBI but deliberately giving them to Crowdstrike).
Deeper investigation might reveal that the Russians had nothing to do with it, that it was in fact an internal theft (by Seth Rich, onto a thumbdrive whose transfer time was far too fast for the hack to have been external), and so the entire RUSSIA RUSSIA narrative would be exposed as a lie, that Trump in fact did not have help from anyone and was indeed a legitimate President.
what still bothers me, though, is the judges who refused to hear the concerns of people who made complaints, saying that they didn't have standing.
it was a national election, determining who the POTUS would be... who would be running the country... how does any legal citizen not have standing?
HEAR the complaints... then if they don't have merit, rule that way.
on edit, because I don't feel like I ranted enough:
yes, Trump was and is a horrible candidate.
but any complaints of fraud, cheating, etc. should have been dealt with fairly... not automatically dismissed.
"judges who refused to hear the concerns of people who made complaints, saying that they didn't have standing."
I'm no expert on Constitutional law, being just a western Canadian concrete mixer truck driver and all, but was not the entire rationale for the Supreme Court to settle disputes between States?
So then explain, Justice Roberts, why you refused to hear Texas's case against Pennsylvania. Were the stories true of Roberts being overheard yelling at a meeting of the Justices that he was not going to be the one who presided over a case that might expose such horrific fraud (just like he was not going to be the one who overturned BananaCare) and lead to riots, even though everyone knew at the end of 2020 that Leftists never go berserk after not getting their way.....?
If I understand the legal theory correctly, Trump couldn't get courts to look at his worries about election fraud before the election because there had been no fraud (yet) and thus no damage, so the court had nothing to hear. Then, after the election and the fraud, the courts couldn't do anything because there wasn't enough time to investigate before inauguration.
Does the truck driver who testified to transporting filled out ballots across State lines not constitute PC, or Ruby surreptitiously handing off a thumbdrive to her son, or election officials telling everyone to go home because of a broken water line (much like the monkey who pulled the fire alarm using that tactic to delay things) and then pulling suitcases full of ballots from under the table and then running the ballots through the machines 4 times....... not a single judge in the US found any of that suspicious.....?
I don't understand, either, how if the Dems are so sure of the superiority of their ideas and candidates there should be ANY fraud; indeed, they should have been among the loudest voices for accusations of fraud in order to dispel the accusations, and they should be leading the way for voter ID, one day elections, paper ballots, hand counts.
They shouldn't need State AGs to change election law to allow drop boxes (the evidence of geotracking as it related to individuals going back and forth between collecting ballots and then dropping them off is dismissed as being unreliable; tell that to people who are convicted by geotracking of their crimes), mass mail in ballots, no signature verification (a straight squiggle does not a signature make). Yet State AGs did just that, and no one in authority found it suspicious that Dem poll workers papered over the windows of counting rooms, either.
all of those judges, by the way, along with Strocz, Page, Brennan, Clapper, Priestap, Comey, McCabe, Rosenstein, Ohr et al "worked for" the Trump Administration.
Coincidentally, I write this comment through the time of 1230 central time, the exact time 60 years ago that JFK was killed by the Deep State. That was their first big domestic operation, 2020 was another, and 2024 is going to be their last, it being too late to come back if they succeed.
Sometimes you have to go with the cards you are dealt. DeSantis is out. The rest of the Rep candidates are disasters. Trump is the candidate the Dems want to face. To say there is no election fraud is ignorant. Clearly fraud won the day in most elections of our time. The ones that were aberrations or politicians who didn’t play cards with the deep state were destroyed (Kennedy. Nixon,Reagan(shot in 81), Trump). Our elections are a joke. No one voted for brain dead Biden except the few people in the crop circles who came to hear him on his few campaign stops. Trump is a disaster but he’s a better disaster than Biden, M Obama, or Newsome.
Absolutely not. I will not be told to pick candidate X because the others are worse. I voted for Davos Don in 2016 because he was my best chance of breaking the status quo, but instead he flipped for the Establishment, became a worse neocon than McCain & best pals w. Lindsey Graham. My only chance of stopping the status quo in 2024 is RFK Jr.
There's no trick to breaking the status quo. In my lifetime, most presidents have done it, just in the wrong direction. Despite Trump's failures, there's no way McCain or Graham wouldn't have been worse. Jury's out on RFK Jr., but his book on Fauci is genius, a must read. It's very clear from the book that Fauci should have been fired, and imprisoned, long before Trump was elected. Using orphans and African children as guinea pigs for toxic drugs, the drugs delivered through tubes into their stomachs if they refused to take them? Shows just how corrupt the establishment is.
I'm a young'un (my first presidential election as an eligible voter was 2008), but I consider myself fairly well-educated. I can't think of a prior example of dozens of intelligence officials actively misleading the media at the behest of one party, and censoring a major media story.
The closest example I can think of would be Kennedy inventing the "missile gap" out of whole cloth, and Nixon and the military not being willing to divulge classified information to correct the lie. But that still seems different from *actively suppressing* a damaging political story.
I don't think that's just a matter of media bias. The "binders full of women" and "dog on the roof" smears against Romney were media bias. The Hunter thing...was something else.
"I can't think of a prior example of dozens of intelligence officials actively misleading the media at the behest of one party, and censoring a major media story."
Sundance, over on Conservative Treehouse, posits the theory that the CIA's credibility was dealt a severe blow by the WMD fiasco, thus allowing the agents who promulgated the lie to be led out the door to be replaced by the sorts of agents that Obama and Holder desired, as they were now in control of the agency and the agenda (using the Patriot Act to surveil domestic political enemies, ie, anyone who opposed Obama). You know, the sort of agents who would sign a letter claiming that the laptop story bore all the features of Kremlin disinformation.....
Whites were 80% of population during Reagan’s tenure
Plenty of whites hated Reagan. Source: I went to KU
Pretending our way forward, ignoring the realities that present themselves for all who will see and consider.
The Republic slips into the abyss and most remain bewildered by the reality as the symptoms are increasingly apparent to the casual observer.
Thank you for follow up information re: our U.S. election system. Seems to me, everyone— worldwide —has wanted, wanted, and wants a piece of it for their own gain. President Trump was just one of the vehicles—involved during his run— in the “character assassination” game. A terrible, terrible game. A terrible, terrible sign of the times. Republicans must keep their eye on the ball.
Julie this is part of the job. If you can't handle it, you simply resign and go into another line of work.
Nailed it
Yes Biden was clearly the superior candidate in 2020. Look at his campaign, his debate performance, everything about it was vastly superior to Trumps. And that doesn’t even take into account his personal character and the splendid work he did as VP. And the personal charm, pleaseeeesssseee. I wonder why he only got a bit more than 81,000,000 ‘official’ votes. It’s puzzling to me that Biden didn’t get over 100,000,000 votes. That should be concerning to very American or non American voter. How could Trump lose to such a remarkable man by only 7,000,000 votes? Something just doesn’t ring true. When instinct tells your pronoun something isn’t right …
Nobody has proven Biden didn’t get 100,000,000 or more votes. That’s because no one has examined the evidence that could well prove Biden might have gotten 100,000,000 votes.Nobody examined the claim he got 81,000,000 votes so how can anyone prove he didn’t get 100,000,000?
Biden didn’t get 100,000,000? Yea I smell a rat just on the numbers alone. Maybe he settled for 81,000,000 because he just couldn’t prove the 100,000,000 and 7,000,000 was beyond the margin of fraud. Ha, think about that for a while.